What follows is a discussion started on 27/8/2012 on the Italian Gay Project forum.

Hello Project, I am 18 years old, for some days I’m of age but I feel terribly stupid, I know that I did something very stupid and now I feel disgusted. Project, I have always had a good idea of sex, I always thought it was an important thing to live with my boyfriend, if I had one, and in a true love relationship. I know that the right things are these, I know it very well, I always thought this way until about twenty days ago, then different ideas started to come up my mind, that I don’t have to be alone, that it’s not fair that I don’t have a partner, that I cannot settle for videos, because there is also this, that in words I have a very nice concept of sex but then, you know how it works, and in the end you adapt, and it is just depressing because if maybe it was to be with a guy that I really like and that I fell in love with, well, that’s ok, I say because you really feel the desire for sex, but that’s not what happens to me, because in practice I have nothing to do, I sprawl on the bed and just out of boredom, because there is nothing else to do and the hand goes there, but let’s say that I go forward (and I arrive at the end) only with imagination because the imagination of those things doesn’t miss me at all, I don’t even look for porn, it’s rare, I start to imagine how it would be with one I like.

It’s a painful thing, I know, but what else can I do? And this doesn’t even involve me too much, in short, it’s like doing something just to do something, now there is nothing left of what one expects from sex, it’s a thing like another, then when I finished, I think, well I did even this, at least I fall asleep more easily. This is what happened in practice up to 15 days ago, then I told myself that I had to change system because I am no more stupid than others, that a guy my age also has the right to do what he wants and so I registered on a dating site.

I have not really thought about it when I did it, then I have been glued to the screen for three days. I don’t tell you what a kind of people, I told myself that they should be hospitalized because they are not aware of themselves. Then I happened to meet a guy not so bad, he said that he was 25 years old, perhaps he was even older but he wasn’t an old man like some others who seemed horrible to me just looking at their pictures (enormous bellies!). I speak a bit with that twenty-five, so, writing in the chat he tells me that he feels alone, that he joined that site in despair because he seeks an honest guy like him just for friendship, in short things were such. We chat writing for two hours, he is from my city, it happened by chance because I didn’t put the city in my profile, then he tells me that he wants a picture and sends me one of his own.

Nice, he was nice, maybe the photo was not his, but the photo was nice, but I didn’t know what I had to send him, I didn’t want send him a photo of mine but I had to give it something. I made one picture with the camera, very blurred, so that he couldn’t understand anything and I sent it to him, he told me that I was a nice guy and other such things, he wanted to speak in voice but I had my parents at home and couldn’t talk at all and I told him and then he told me that we could hear each other after midnight, to talk a bit, but I told him again that I couldn’t talk at all. He didn’t insist, he told me: “somehow we’ll talk at midnight” and we said goodbye.

I then went to dinner but I felt very excited and the thought was always there. My parents were seeing the TV and in my room I was waiting for them to go to bed but they were there to talk and they seemed to have no intention of going to bed and it made me angry. When they closed their bedroom door and turned off the light it was a quarter past midnight and I thought I’d lost the appointment for a quarter of an hour. I turn on the PC, I go and contact that guy, after two minutes he sends me the call for the video chat, I say no but he insists, he tells me we had at least to say hello looking at each other, I say: let’s try! If maybe he is naked I close immediately, and so I accept.

He was sitting quietly wearing a tank top, we cannot talk and we only write, he tells me that he must go for a moment to drink, when he gets up I see him in shorts, those used on the beach, but I was exactly like him because even at night the heat was terrible . Then he comes back. I quote here for you the log of the conversation. He is “Nice Mouse”, I’m Nic (as usually my nick is Nic and I tell him that my name is Nicholas but it’s not true).

– Nice Mouse writes – thank you for accepting, I’m really happy
– Nic writes – It was not an easy choice, you never know what you can expect
– Nice Mouse writes – in what sense?
– Nic writes – that you may find a naked guy who wants only sex from you eh eh eh
– Nice Mouse writes – but I’m a nice guy. Don’t be worried!
– Nic writes – I’m glad that now I can see you, because, you know, you said 25 years, but they could have been even 60
– Nice Mouse writes – No, come on, I don’t want to cheat you! However … damn if you’re a nice guy! You’re not just nice, you’re beautiful!
– Nic writes – Who? I? You’re the one beautiful! You’re really strong, a nice chest and two iron biceps.
– Nice Mouse writes – Wait for me to take off the tank top, because I like the compliments
– Nic writes – Wow! But you’re really cool! I would love to have a body like yours!
– Nice Mouse writes – I think you don’t miss anything, come on! Let me see a little! Stand up and make muscles like bodybuilders, right so, very good! Damn if you’re beautiful! You don’t have a thread of fat! Come on! Get out of that tank top … damn! A body to go crazy for! Really! But are you going to the gym?
– Nic writes – yes but twice a week, something like that, not at a competitive level, but I think that instead you do training at the gym at a serious level.
– Nice Mouse writes – I try, then, you know, by dint of insisting, you reach a result.

Project, now you know how it started, basically we went on slowly, then we saw each other only in briefs and then without and then we masturbated together. At the end he tells me it was beautiful and he never thought that sex could be like that, I congratulate him because I too was very well and tells me (I quote here the piece of conversation, I had told him that my name was Nicholas, I think I already told you this very important particular)

– Nice Mouse writes – Nic, if you want, tomorrow we do it in person, eh, what do you think?
– Nic writes – well now I’m a little embarrassed, I don’t feel prepared for something like this
– Nice Mouse writes – Nic, but if it is for the fear of diseases we do it with condoms, what’s the problem?
– Nic writes – well it’s not just for that
– Nice Mouse writes – come on! Let us have a bit of fun!
– Nic writes – no, please, don’t insist, I don’t really feel like it.
– Nice Mouse writes – Come on! That in person the effect in much more involving, So do you agree for tomorrow?
– Nic writes – No, let’s leave things as they are.
– Nice Mouse writes – but you’re just a kid! You saw it, I don’t eat you!
– Nic writes – No, come on, don’t insist.

We go on like that for a few minutes with this pull and spring and he tries everything to convince me, but the more he insists the more I convince myself that I don’t want. Before closing I say to him: “Tomorrow we meet again on cam?” And he replies “Now for a week I work outside the city, but when I come back I make myself heard.”

If I said I didn’t like what happened I would say a huge lie. I went to sleep at half past two but I was all upset, practically my first experience of this kind. He was beautiful, sexy, not aggressive, it was the first time he had entered the chat, at least I thought it was so, and we had met by chance. Ok, he was several years older than me but anyway he wasn’t an old man and then I also liked him from certain points of view we can say anatomical. So I was in orbit.

The speech of seeing each other in person was the only thing that I didn’t like, it seemed to me too much premature but the rest had seemed really exciting. I had a week off in front of me, but I didn’t want to go to the dating site because I wanted to stay true to him! I was at that point! I know it’s stupid but it’s just what I thought. So for a week no dating site and no porn, just fantasy and fantasy, about him obviously! So you can imagine that in practice I didn’t think of anything else. I spend Sunday, I expect that Monday he calls me but he doesn’t, I start to fall into paranoia, I look for him but he is never on msn neither on the dating site. We had not exchanged cell phone numbers so I couldn’t contact him. I only had his e-mail but he didn’t answer. On Wednesday I receive this email.

“Nicole, it was a dream of a week, I hadn’t thought about anything else for months, I could finally kiss you and hold you to me. You are my little she mouse, the puppy that can send me into raptures! only a woman like you knows what’s sex and I live for you, you’re my fixed idea, I don’t think about anything else, I’ve never looked at another woman, I have eyes (and not just eyes) only for you, my sweet little she mouse. With your brother we talked a lot, don’t worry that everything will be fine, I will try to put things right, don’t worry about it. You are half of my soul and you know that I would do anything for you. [omissis] (explicit and detailed sexual references follow, that I omit.) Your Nice Mouse who always thinks of you!”

This e-mail left me stunned not to say like a piece of shit! He sent it to me by mistake because the mail program after Nic has completed my (fake) name (Nicholas) and not Nicole and he did not notice it! Project that there were sons of a whore on the net I knew it and he had not actually been such, but maybe it would have been if we had seen each other in person, I don’t know, but what upsets me is that this guy was straight, at least straight his way, if such a guy can be considered straight. He obviously has a girlfriend and from what he says, he has great sex with her, but a guy who does with another guy what he did with me (and now I think he did the same so many other times) how can he completely forget about the other guy, telling him a lot of lies to go away to have sex with the girl?

Project, you can understand that I felt a total imbecile, ok, there are men who have a girlfriend or even married who spend nights on cam having sex with guys! But for me, such a thing is incredible! Are they bisexual? I don’t know, but of course with these guys I feel I have nothing in common. I had sex with him on cam, ok, but then I was scrupulous about using a porn, while he wasn’t at all interested in me because the next day he had to go with his beloved pussy! But what were you looking for? I felt treated just like a piece of shit. But is this guy a gay? If he’s gay, well I swear I cut my dick!

Other users of the forum respond to Nic’s post.


There are married men who go on the sites to get sex on cam with guys .. they say they are curious heterosexual guys or even 100% straight but they like that stuff. You’re not stupid, you trusted him. In those sites, unfortunately you have to go with the knowledge that 90% of people want to have sex and among these there are those who want to get there by any means. You live your sexuality in the world that you believe, casual sex is not the absolute evil but you have to be careful.


Dear Nicholas, premised that there is nothing squalid in masturbating thinking about guys you like, even better without the support of porn. I have nothing against porn, it is simply a sexual model that is neither in heaven nor on earth, especially if referring to gay sexuality. Unfortunately there are a lot of guys like the one you’re talking about, my first adventure eleven years ago was with a guy engaged whit a girl, who used to answer his girlfriend on the phone right in front of me. At that time I didn’t want anything else anyway.

I would like to tell you only two things related to what you are telling, the first is that something really important happened. You put yourself in the game, you met a guy you liked and you had the chance to experience a sexual involvement, which for sure was for you the premise for a much stronger feeling. This experience in itself is beautiful, there were new energies and the ability to feel alive, you do not have to give up these things. In this respect, only he has made the figure of the perfect fool, not you. You are consistent with what you like, he obviously has very confused ideas and has no real intention to investigate the matter.

He is twenty-five years old and chooses a chat to experience his homosexuality and according to what he told us he is a picker, both of women and guys, and of the well-trained ones. In short, it is his problem not to really want to understand how things are, not wanting to accept it and live a life full of falsehood, with this huge compromise behind. He made fun of you, of his girlfriend, but above all he makes fun of himself and this causes me a huge sadness. On the second point I’ll be a little more generic, I have already said my opinion million times. The problem of chat rooms and dating sites is that there is no kind of naivety allowed there. One can also be there, but must have in mind the place where he is and how he intends to move. He must be clear with itself even on what he wants. Do you understand what is the point?

And even if he were a gay man in one piece, do you think that he would only asks you to have sex on cam and meet him in person? You have to think about these things, a guy who asks you right at beginning to see you and who feels so comfortable with this proposal as to put even you at ease you, is clearly one accustomed to such things. Sometimes there is in us the conviction of being special and we think that what happened to us happened only to us. Of course we are special, but in front of the other we become special over time, at the beginning we are like everyone else. And with one of the kind then that you would have done? What kind of anxiety would he have raised in you? Do you know what I think? You were lucky to find out soon how he really was and especially to have never met him in person.


I‘m not at all surprised, nothing new about this world eh eh! The first thing I would do, if I were you, is to cancel me immediately from the dating site before having to face other probable disappointments, which you absolutely don’t deserve. If you want a relationship of love, you certainly will not find it in such places, you would be forced to look for the classic needle in the haystack and, even if you found that blessed needle, you could still receive yet another disappointment. I have received confirmation from a person I know and who has tried to deepen the knowledge with one of these so called guys who claim to be good and serious. I can tell you that it was over with “Let’s stay at least .. friends” For some, these meeting sites are like a drug that they cannot get rid of, they can cancel themselves from the dating site many times to register again the following day. But again, I certainly didn’t reveal the discovery of the year. Good luck!


If you look for friendships in those sites I tell you that it is very difficult to meet someone worthy, almost impossible. You must be able to skim the users and maybe you could also find at most a 2% of guys like you in there, since most feel as if they were on a pedestal, they feel powerful, for the simple fact that they can do whatever they want, having sex with the guys they want in that world, only to come back to reality, with their tails between their legs, at home, by their wives or their girlfriends. You wrote: ” Project, you can understand that I felt a total imbecile, ok, there are men who have a girlfriend or even married who spend nights on cam having sex with guys! But for me, such a thing is incredible!

Are they bisexual?” This question is legitimate and could further support my personal thinking that those attracted to men are much more than that ridiculous 10% of which we write. Meanwhile, see it as an experience that will help you to mature, while he, who goes on with the double life, is the one who should come down from the pedestal, he is the coward who doesn’t have the courage to admit to himself that he is doing this bullshit. I wonder how long his marriage with “Nicole” can last with if the premises are these! A hug!


Ah ah! Nicholas, please don’t take my laughter as offensive, but it makes me laugh so much that that double agent cock (in both senses) has been disgraced by the automatic completion of the mail program! Try not to get angry!: let’s say that, taken by boredom and discouragement, you have sought a little adventure and you had your fun, but the downside is that had your fun it inside some kind of sewer-site, in which, rightly, as well as mice, rats and sewer rats, you cannot expect to find anything else! Don’t feel frustrated and stupid, it happens to virtually everyone and it happens extremely often to do bad meetings, both in the real world and even more on the Internet where anonymity and distance free the rabble from any inhibitory brake.

It is certainly not your fault if you came across such a guy, indeed it is practically the rule in those places. Of course, the signals all in all were quite clear; now you will think twice before taking off your T-shirt on request. Remember this unfortunate event as a small warning that you cannot really trust appearances and that in certain environments the iron logic of take-away does not yield to anything, certainly not to a basic minimum of consistency, nor even less in front of a boy who desperately desires serious and authentic communication with others.


Damn, what a disappointment, and what an anger! We make many fantasies because rarely, compared to the hetero world, we have opportunities to approach guys, but there is always the guy who is looking for sex only for fun and curiosity having anyway hetero inclinations, and we delude ourselves .. I suggest you to unsubscribe from that site, the adventures in the dating sites, not by hearsay, but for facts more or less like those I have personally tried, almost all (99, 5%) end up badly. I certainly don’t want this, not even sex, but maybe my sexual desire is less than yours, since you are older than me, but now that I know this forum my needs are much more sentimental that sexual and then goodbye .. because I’m not knowing new people and I’m in the situation of not being able to know them, in a reality that crushes me, I come back perpetually to the starting point, because I’m shy, because my physical self-esteem is very poor, because it is said that to find someone and create a relationship you must have self-esteem from the point of view of “sentimental relationship and physical appearance” and I have none of this, because they say it’s too early to have a story because I’ve understood myself from relatively little time and I have to recognize that, at 16, I have to shut up since there are people who have three times my years, but also four times my age and they feel the need much more than me, so I understand that I have to repress even my sadness because I find myself in a vicious circle made of fear of being exposed, low self-esteem about my being able to get engaged, awareness of being better placed than others in situations of family etc.. As a result of this I look at these things head down and I focus on study, sports and my friendships that, for me, probably, if they were complicated by my confessions may no longer be such. However I tell you to be quiet and to live with this disappointment. Wait and seize the opportunities when they peek from your door, focus on something else, the only thing that can help in this case it is to think that we are many sitting on the same train.


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1) My age
Thirty years
2) My sexual orientation and its evolution
For 3-4 years now, after my first gay relationship, I recognize that I’m bisexual, but it’s a very difficult, distressing, suffering condition, I continue to live hetero sentimental stories, and strong, very beautiful hetero love, but at the time of going to the deep I block myself, come back to my gay side and after a period, I miss women in an incredible way. It’s a profound restlessness, a desire to always be where one is not. Of course I have always and only felt love for girls, and I had only a few sexual intercourses with guys. My relationships with women are always very gratifying, I like them, I feel a deep attraction towards women but I cannot undertake a love story with them with a capital A. I’m scared, I flee and go back to look for some gay sex adventure one night and away, over time I’m afraid to isolate myself emotionally and I told myself that I could not throw myself into a gay love story, because I would miss women, but at the same time, and I stress at the same time, I’m afraid of frustrating this gay side of me that still comes up as soon as I pretend not to see it.
3) When and how I realized I was gay
Personally I always knew I had an attraction toward guys, but I never thought I was fully gay. The first episodes so to say a bit destabilizing were from sixth to eighth grade, I masturbated thinking of some of my male classmates, but I masturbated even thinking of some of my female classmates.
4) When and how I accepted to be gay
I accepted this gay side, but I would also call it movement, wave, dynamic, for 4 years now, but I still don’t recognize myself as gay and at the same time I know I’m not straight.
5) The difficulties I have encountered in accepting my gay identity
I have problems for several years, I live in this fluctuation in a very personal way, I have never expressed to anyone this emotional and sexual whirlwind, I don’t know how it will end in the future I know that going in one direction rather than another would not make me happy.
6) The situations of hardship that I have faced and that I have to face as a gay
Well sometimes talking with gay friends or with people about sexuality, yes, I’m calm, but never having told anyone what I feel I’m always afraid that the person can discover me and therefore judge me badly, also because I’m openly hetero.
7) Who knows about me
Nobody precisely.
8) The relationship with my parents
An immense question. The relationship with my parents is difficult, it has been and will be. I come from a family that I would call poor psychologically, with many emotional problems and a myriad of depressive / frustrating dynamics. Only recently I was able to emotionally cut the umbilical cord and not by chance in coincidence with the affirmation at the rational and conscious level, therefore even at the practical one, of my gay side.
9) My relationship with my friends
Few friends, but with them I have good relationships. I tend to be very suspicious and this perhaps undermines the depth of certain friendships.
10) Where do my knowledge of gay reality come from?
A few from interpersonal acquaintances, a lot on the level of personal study and research.
11) My relationship with my nakedness and that of others
Well, in a sporting environment, I am extremely shy, I have always been very ashamed to take a shower with other guys. When I was a child I invented a thousand excuses not to do it. There is still something left today, for example in my intimate relationships with girls, I cannot sleep naked. I always need the underpants, which I take off and then put on during the intercourses.
12) My relationship with masturbation
I masturbate so much for the age that I have, mainly with gay fantasies, since I satisfy the straight ones, on the contrary when I happened to have satisfied those gays, I could not wait to see bare women.
13) My relationship with pornography
Pornography helped me to overcome many barriers, made me a little less modest, and now I satisfy my gay fantasies with pornography.
14) My relationship with meeting sites and erotic chats
Only and exclusively during the periods when the gay side re-emerges, in search of a gay sexual adventure.
15) How I tried to realize my affectivity / sexuality
I didn’t try. I’ve been living for 4 years now my gay sexuality but very slowly, almost a relationship every 8 or 10 months, I don’t feel affection with the guys, I live the emotional and sexual sphere instead normally with the female gender apart obviously when my gay side resurfaces.
16) My relationship with girls
Very particular, I never managed to live a love story with a capital A, I fell in love many times, some in an extremely involving  way, completely forgetting for some periods my gay side, then when things and situations have required a lasting emotional commitment, I have somehow declared myself unprepared to live it, precisely because I couldn’t start a deep relationship with a woman if before I hadn’t really understood how I am done, this thing is paradoxical, but I repeat, source of great suffering. Deep love relationships with women make me so afraid, afraid of being abandoned and afraid of suffering. I also thought that the gay part of me, was actually an excuse that I give myself not to finally throw me to live a love story in a full and deep way.
17) My relationship with straight guys
90% of my frequentations are with straight guys, I feel great with them, talking about women, football etc. I’ve always been one of them. 
18) My relationship with gay guys
Problematic, they make me a little afraid and they create distrust. Only on rare occasions I was starting to cultivate some friendship, but in general I avoid them, if not for reserved sex. 
19) What strikes me most in a guy
The physique I think. 
20) My previous affective life
Before 4 years ago, I was searching to discover the female gender, then I experienced great crashes perhaps but just one love, but not deep just as stated previously. 
21) My current affective situation
Hard, I think I’m in love with a girl, physically and emotionally, but in the conditions of current emotional instability, the usual crossroad arrived, and I pulled back, you don’t know how much I miss her. 
22) My degree of emotional satisfaction
Absolutely sacrificed by this emotional fluctuation in one sense and another. 
23) My degree of sexual satisfaction
Satisfying with the female gender, but after a while elusive, the male side I have always lived it in an elusive way and every time I decide to live it, the desire for sex with women returns.
24) The weight of sex in my affective world
With women very present and connected with the affective sphere, but I don’t always live it as an absolute necessity, just because I say I can do without it having another type of sex available in which I can take refuge in times when things require a strong emotional investment. 
25) What I would like from my boyfriend
I never had a boyfriend, never thought of living in a gay couple situation. 
26) What I think I can give to my boyfriend  
See above. 
27) My desires in relation to my emotional / sexual life
A little balance, the fear, the suffering of living a state of emotional and sexual precariousness wear me out. I am noticing that over the years I tend to be more and more closed in myself, renouncing the opportunity to live a deep love relationship. 
28) My frustrations in relation to my emotional / sexual life
Relate to my desires. 
29) What I would like to know about the emotional / sexual life of other gay guys
Experiences similar to mine, if someone experiences my own feelings and upsets. 
30) How I consider myself informed about sexual behavior at risk
Very much.
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Dear project,

I jump the pleasantries. I am 55 years old, I am married and have two children, two guys, 22 and 24 years old, who are my true pride, but they are 100% straight if not 200%. But there is a problem and I’m the problem, I got married at 28, lost in love with my current wife. My adolescence was that typical of a clearly straight guy: chasing girls, almost like a fixation, masturbation using only fantasy, thinking about those girls. But for me girls were not an interest just for sex, I liked everything about girls, from their smell, even the genital one, to their company, to their intellectual attitude.

Before getting to know my wife I had two important stories with two girls who got me very involved. With neither of them, however, I had a real sexual relation, because both were virgins and insisted that without marriage they would not have had complete sex with anyone (what, however, then happened, even if not with me). The first story was over because I refused to introduce myself to the girl’s parents and she could not stand it, the second one, I think, because there was another guy, she always denied it, but I always thought it was so.

At the age of 25 I met my wife and with her everything was different from the beginning. In practice, I had lived of masturbation using fantasy up to 25 years, because I would never have had the courage to buy a porn magazine at the newsstand, and I expected that with her there would be the problem of virginity and therefore I felt rather slowed down, then, slowly I saw that she didn’t stop me, I slipped a hand under her skirt and she let me do, I touched her breasts and she let me do, and then in practice it was she who took the initiative to have true sex.

We started with mutual masturbation and then the rest came by itself. She was not only beautiful but intelligent and between us there was a perfect understanding. I was overjoyed, a beautiful and intelligent girl all mine and only mine. There was only the problem of the condom that I didn’t like, but I could understand it and I accepted it to avoid her taking the pill. I think then there was nobody happier than me. When she told me about marriage, I hugged her lifting her off the floor. Everything went not well but beautifully until the birth of our second child. Now there were the children, we had less sex but the complicity was still total.

Since my second child was 5 years old, my wife, who is a lawyer, began to practice. We decided together, because we would have had a lot more economic possibilities, because before I was the only one who was working. I was happy with the idea that she worked. But the thing created a lot of problems, the children were very young and I could take care of them, at least I thought so, but she chose for me and hired a nanny. I had my job that left me a lot of free time, I could go out on my own but I didn’t want it and ended up staying home, locked in a room not to annoy the nanny.

When my wife came home in the evening (never before 10pm) she was hydrophobic and was on the phone discussing work until well past midnight. In short I realized that my wife was no longer the same person, she was completely disinterested in the family. She thought a little of her children, but certainly not of me. Between us sex had become a regular event on a Saturday night, and was mainly for her an anti-stress exercise.

After doing everything to avoid, at 35, I started to masturbate, which at first seemed frustrating in itself but then I got used to it, but it didn’t end there, I was frustrated by the lack of a human relationship with my wife, I felt the passing of time, at 48 I started to use pornography, almost compulsively, and always in secret, and in practice my sexual life returned to that of the kids. I must point out that my sexual fantasies were all just hetero, I looked only straight porn, but I looked at them angrily, as if sex were more violence and domination than pleasure. I don’t deny that this fact has worried me, because it had never been like that.

My wife was slowly coming out of my life, I even went to see a lawyer for separation, but then I didn’t talk with her and the marriage went on wearily. On the other hand I didn’t want to put the children at risk, they still seemed too young. I tried to find another woman, with one I even tried the first approaches, but I treated her in an acidic way because I probably identified her with my wife, she could not get any more my jokes and so she gave me up. In 2013, the year of the turning point, something happened that I would never have imagined, surfing porn sites, which sometimes just tired me, I ended up casually watching a gay video. I thought it I would have bothered and instead it was not like that, I saw it all while masturbating and I came very intensely. Then, you can understand it, so many doubts. “What’s happening to me? It’s not possible!” The next day it happened again.

In short I started to make a selection of gay videos even if I continued to see even straight ones, I didn’t like the fuss, those stupid pampering tricks typically gay, I wanted a video that went immediately to the point, without preliminaries. Seeing as one of those guys penetrated the other I was thinking that while they did it, if I had even hinted to my wife of such a thing she would have taken me for maniac and I told myself that women don’t understand anything about sex. I also made fantasies about women, which I must emphasize, I have always liked and I still like, although perhaps less than men, for example with men I’m much more demanding and selective in terms of physical presence, for a woman in general I wouldn’t have problems the same way.

Anyway, from there I started to fantasize about the nice men of porn, then I took courage and I joined an erotic chat. I realized that while I was trying to make a more psychological exploration with the women, with the men I tended to immediately understand if they would accept to be penetrated by me, but I was only disinhibited in words and I was afraid to show myself on cam, so in the end I closed the account because it would have required a courage that I didn’t have. But it has remained a fixed rule: porn (straight or gay, as I liked better that day, but I would say, especially gay) and masturbation every day and in practice always thinking of having sex with a guy, but always with me in an active role.

With a guy I think it’s much easier than with a woman. I would not like to be a woman for another man, in fact I find the idea repellent, and even doing oral sex to a guy or masturbating him for me is unthinkable. I’m interested in the B-side of the guys and there are those who have it very hard and nice (excuse the language too outright). I talk about boys, but don’t equivocate, I don’t like boys, a man to have a sexual appeal for me must be at least 40 years old, however not less than 35, the boys of the age of my sons don’t interest me at all, they still seem immature to me. I also visited your site, and I have to be honest, there are things I can’t understand at all, like a love story between two guys or all that typically gay victimization attitude.

Project, I don’t know if I’m gay, but I don’t think so, because I don’t like the idea of being gay, I could be bisexual, I think this is much more realistic. On the street I find myself turning my head to look at both men and women, but now above all men, even if the idea of falling in love with a man I consider it completely incompatible with my nature. In fact, I’m not gay, but I think I’m a bit bisexual. With my wife now sex is a rare thing (once a month or even less), not to mention the dialogue, she now has another world of which I know nothing and I don’t want to know anything. I don’t hate my wife, she is completely indifferent to me, she’s the mother of my sons, but our boys are now grown up and if my marriage ended badly I don’t think they would suffer too much and so the idea of separation (or short divorce now!) comes back to my mind.

Of one thing only I feel satisfied and that is to have grown well my children who are the real satisfaction of my life. After all they didn’t really have a mother, at the beginning they had a nanny and then they had me and they loved me as I loved them. Now I have older children and I still masturbate and see gay porn and more! Well, I got bored and I want to try something different and get it seriously. What do you recommend, Project?

Answer by Project


The categories of gay and bisexual (categories of “sexual orientation”) today have a rather restrictive definition and other types of “behavior” rather than sexual “orientation”, have been introduced by common use and then have been effectively characterized through the systematic observation that has better defined their characteristics. In a situation like yours the category of ” hetero curious” would be used. A bisexual falls in love with men and women, has a masturbation dedicated to men or women with which he is from time to time in love, bisexuality, as homosexuality has a dominant affective aspect.

Hetero-curious people are usually not very young men, are married and often have children, are deeply frustrated by heterosexual sexuality and oriented not to fall in love with men (otherwise they would be bisexual) but only to have sex with men, in addition to sex with women or in substitution of sex with women, but the relationship they imagine with a man, in addition to excluding the affective dimension, has characteristics that are significantly away from gay sexuality. I try to explain myself. In gay sexuality, that is men who fall in love with men (it is not just sexual interest) sexuality is very far from how it is commonly represented, there are no sexual roles between two gays, even if it may sound strange.

Heterosexual sexuality is dominated by complementarity, roles are defined by nature and sexual intercourse is truly such (hypothetically suitable for generation) only when there is vaginal penetration, otherwise it is said to be incomplete. In homo-sexuality, which is the sexuality of identity, not of complementarity, roles are often felt as a category imported from the hetero world and not originally gay, and anal penetration, which should be the analog of vaginal penetration in the hetero field, is in fact a distinctly minority practice. Anal penetration is much more practiced in the hetero field than in the gay field.

The sexuality that is seen in so-called gay porn has very little of gay and the users of that pornography are often either women or, in the vast majority of cases, hetero-curious people, this is the reason why so-called gay porn always ends with anal penetration. When I speak of “gay”, I repeat, I don’t speak of men having sex with other men without falling in love, but only of those who fall in love with other men. The hetero-curious people, who have or would like to have sex with men, are many, so as to bring the production of so-called gay porn videos (which are actually produced in the vast majority just for the hetero-curious people) to quantitative levels comparable if not higher than those of hetero pornography. If you keep in mind that gays (who fall in love with men) are about 8% of the population, you understand well how many hetero-curious must be, users of so-called gay pornography.

Among other things, the explosion of so-called gay porn among the hetero-curious people is favored by the fact that, being married men and often with children and moreover not young, for them pornography and masturbation are the only way to find an outburst, so to say homosexual, to their frustrations in the hetero field, frustrations that are nevertheless very widespread. Today, in Italy, out of 100 marriages, 50 end up in divorce or separation and those who don’t end up so are certainly not white-mill type weddings. The percentage of hetero frustrated is very high and pornography leads them to escape to a hypothetical homosexuality, imaginatively constructed.

I’ve been working with gays for a long time, gays, as I said, are about 8% of the population, in Italy, considering together men and women of all ages, they are about 5 million. In a school with 1000 students there are about 80 gays and are really many, but the hetero-curious are many more. But they are not a percentage of the population that is always the same at all ages, because the curiosity for the other orientation usually emerges in mature age, which means that young hetero-curious are few, while hetero-curious mature people are many.

It’s already very difficult to find a companion, not a sexual partner, for true gays without exposing themselves to great risks (note that the vast majority of gays are not publicly out and cannot be identified and that for every gay publicly out there are about 20 that are not out, this means that true homosexuality is still practically invisible today) but it is certainly much more complicated for a hetero-curious, who however will hardly find a gay partner and most likely will find another hetero-curious (erotic chats and dating sites are full of them) but here is the point: sex with porn is objectively not risky, sex on cam involves a considerable risk of being registered and end up increasing the material of porn sites or even the risk of being identified, for example, if you are connected from professional studios with fixed IP, but it doesn’t in any case involve health risks, while sex made in person and with partners found among the users of erotic chats and dating sites, who may have had hundreds of partners, is at high risk and frankly running risks of this magnitude for “a blow and away”, well, it is just of perfect unconscious people.

Sometimes I talk to guys hiv+, well believe me, my heart is shaken, because “after” there is very little to do and life is no longer the same as before, while you could use the brain “before” avoiding to get into trouble and then, let’s understand each other, I still can understand a gay man who hopes or deludes himself to find the love of his life, but one who puts himself at risk just to try what effect it does. . . well, I just don’t understand him at all. If you have an intercourse with your wife once a month it’s obvious that you have to use daily masturbation, if you didn’t, you’d really have to worry about your mental balance.

There is in everything that you wrote an element that strikes me a lot and it is the fact that you boast that you have raised your children, in fact your marriage has an important sense because there are your children, and you know that this is a kind of affection that goes beyond everything else. They are grown, it’s true, but I don’t think that at that age they can be ready to understand what the real sexual life of their father is. They have to make their way and they should do it as smoothly as possible. In other terms, you have duties towards them that you cannot put apart in the name of any freedom.

You are a father, you have two children, I’m gay, I have no children, but I swear to you that I consider my not having children as a vacuum, as something I miss and I miss a lot. You have children, well they are the absolute value, beyond any sexual curiosity. I got to know many gays married and also with children through the Project activity, but they were really gay and not hetero-curious, well those who had children considered the fact of having children the fundamental thing of their lives, they were not looking for gays to have sex with and not even to rebuild their love life, but they were looking for gay friendships, true gay friendships, that is, the chance to talk, to confront gay people, to be themselves and not to be marginalized for their particularity. I think that a serious friendship would do well to everyone, and above all would help to have always our feet on the ground and to know what the gay world really is, the real one, which has nothing to do with porn.

A hug. Project


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